tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574527441977124.post6882890779320171889..comments2024-03-04T03:21:16.681-06:00Comments on FATE SF: Kickstarter And Social ResponsibilityTallgeesehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16045006122540505779noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574527441977124.post-73725732616268031252013-01-15T07:24:38.435-06:002013-01-15T07:24:38.435-06:00Thank you for the chance to say something; I hope ...Thank you for the chance to say something; I hope we hear from Rachel, when she has a chance. I think this is an important issue, and I'd like to develop a conversation about it; I'm sorry that it takes so long for me to type anything...<br /><br />yours, Chirinechirine ba kalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089801259918671141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574527441977124.post-49771021676532063352013-01-14T09:26:07.403-06:002013-01-14T09:26:07.403-06:00Hi Chirine:
Thank you for your very thoughtful an...Hi Chirine:<br /><br />Thank you for your very thoughtful and temperate post. "More light, less heat" is helpful in this discussion, and given the level of disdain which criticism of this Kickstarter has engendered among some in the OSR community, I think more nuanced voices like yours bring a positive tone and a needed historical perspective to the debate.<br /><br />Your insights as a miniatures gamer really matter.<br /><br />I agree that Tekumel and pulp-influenced gaming indeed have "racy" and sometimes ribald elements, and I don't really see too much wrong with that, as long as the table agrees. I worry when our hobby elevates such a huge financial investment in figures like these, when projects that are more authentically aligned with the OSR, such as the production of new lines of Tekumel miniatures, have to struggle by on much, much less. Thanks for stopping by and weighing in on all this.Tallgeesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16045006122540505779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574527441977124.post-74876611739253056632013-01-14T07:54:19.867-06:002013-01-14T07:54:19.867-06:00I'm sorry to be coming to this post so late; I...I'm sorry to be coming to this post so late; I don't get out much, these days.<br /><br />I'd like to say, up front, that I agree with both the post and the comment that Rachel made. I've been looking at the KD figures as they've been announced on a miniatures forum that I frequent, and I don't like them. There's a couple of reasons; first, most of the figures strike this ancient miniatures and RPG gamer as 'marketing- driven', rather then 'game-driven'. I was surprised to see how many of the figures were, to my old eyes, aimed squarely at the anime / hentai market (the otaku, for lack of a better word). Second, I don't like figures that appeal to a segment of gaming and gamers that I would have to describe as 'less then mature'. I don't feel the need to buy figures like that; I am the first to admit that I'm no prude, but I do feel that quite a few figures these days seem to court 'bad taste'.<br /><br />(One historical footnote, if I may; back in Ye Olden Days, several companies produced what I'd describe as 'nekkid women in bondage' items. I do have a few of these, bought back in the day as part of larger bulk purchases, but I'm not particularly fond of them. What does one use them for in games, aside from scenarios like "save the captives from sacrifice"?)<br /><br />I'd like to discuss this further, too; now, I will freely admit that my gaming has been - for more then three decades - in Tekumel, which has a reputation (I'm told) for being 'the naughty game setting'. Well, yes; read "A Princess of Mars", lately? Tropes; we got your tropes right here.<br /><br />We are also, on Tekumel, all people of color; there are no white folks on the planet, which I have seen gamers go stark raving bonkers over. (They literally can't handle the notion.) We also got women (who are pretty damn powerful, in my experience) and lots of LGBT people as well (who are also pretty damn powerful, and some of them are among Chirine's closest friends and allies.<br /><br />Having said that, I agree with Rachel about objectification. I try very hard not to do it in my game sessions, and I try to steer players away from it in and out of games. I have been watching the various Internet debates go past on all of this, and I find that Rachel's post is one of the most reasonable (and reasoned!) that I've seen.<br /><br />Speaking as I do from the ancient days of pulps and sword-and-planet fiction, what can I do to assist in this? Comments? Thoughts?<br /><br />yours, Chirinechirine ba kalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089801259918671141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051574527441977124.post-28245694080828498532013-01-11T16:28:31.328-06:002013-01-11T16:28:31.328-06:00You hit the argument right on the head. I'm so...You hit the argument right on the head. I'm so sick of the arguments that the pro-objectification side come up with: that titillation is somehow a natural part of gaming, that I shouldn't care if I'm portrayed as an object, that because there aren't any women in gaming it's okay to be completely sexist, that my perception of sexism doesn't even matter. Yuck.Rachelhttp://www.bladeandcrown.com/blog/noreply@blogger.com